From December 2007 to June 2010 and again from June 2013 to September 2013, Kevin Rudd served as the 26th Prime Minister of Australia. Since leaving office he has served in a variety of international roles, including as President of the Asia Society Policy Institute in New York. To discuss his latest release, The Avoidable War, he joins us via livestream from the United States to talk global and domestic politics with nationally respected journalist Fran Kelly.