Toby Walsh is widely recognised as one of the leading authorities on the relationship between AI and humanity.

He has written four celebrated books on the subject, including his most recent, Faking It, which examines how the line between the real and the simulated is becoming increasingly blurred.

Toby was the winner of the 2023 Eureka Prize, recognising his work in communicating the rise and reach of Artificial Intelligence. Now, in this conversation he is joined by Max Barry to explore the strange and startling history of artificial intelligence – and what it does next …